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The Feast of Pentecost and The Rapture of the Church

Posted by truthoughts on May 13, 2008

Could the rapture of the church happen on Pentecost?

This first part (regarding 2009) I have added to my “Rapture Theories” page, located in a tab above:

One point that I would like to point out first that I did not cover in my Pentecost Rapture post originally is that most Christians believe that Christ Jesus will need to fulfill all of the feasts of the Lord. We all know that He has already fulfilled the first 3 and have ideas on how He will fulfill the last ones in the fall… however, many believe that Pentecost has been fulfilled by Him and yet, that is NOT the case. Pentecost for the Church was done by the Holy Spirit, not Jesus. Therefore, Jesus still needs to fulfill it. This is where the Rapture (which is the next event on the prophetic time table) comes in.

Just a note… I have noticed that there is some confusion as to when Pentecost is this year (2009). Some are saying that it is on Friday, May 29, 2009. It is actually on Sunday, May 31, 2009 (though it begins at sundown on May 30th to sunset May 31st). You can see this in Leviticus 23: 15-16 . Pentecost is always the day after the Sabbath. The Sabbath is always on Saturday and the day after that is always a Sunday.

The following quote was added for 2008:

First of all, the true biblical holiday of Pentecost is NOT this weekend (May 17-18). Christians who are celebrating Pentecost on this weekend are basing their judgment on Easter, which they believe represents the Passover… this is not true. Easter was celebrated a month before Passover this year based on the Gregorian calendar not the Hebrew calendar. The true Passover was on April 20th not March 23rd. Therefore, Pentecost is actually June 8th. [*edit by author* Thanks to a wonderful reader, Donna, she pointed out that Pentecost in 2008 is actually June 15th. I went back to research this information and found that she is correct. I began my counting from the Sabbath between Passover and First Fruits, but I was suppose to count from the following Sabbath. This takes us to June 15, 2008, which is a Sunday. I deeply appologize for the inacuracy, but I gratefully thank Donna for the correction.]

Now here is where it may get a little confusing to some… If we base our dates and times according to Jerusalem, since that is how God did it, then this would cause us to begin our celebration on June 7th. According to the Bible, the beginning of a day is at sunset on the previous day. So, June 8th would actually begin at sunset on June 8th and go until sunset on June 8th. Well, if you live in CST in the United States (we are currently 8 hours behind Jerusalem) that would be around 10:00 am ‘ish our time. CLICK HERE to calculate the sunset times for these dates. CLICK HERE to see what time it will be in your area. You also need to keep in mind that the Biblical Sabbath is actually on Saturday not Sunday as the pagans celebrate.

Now that we have that covered, lets take a look at a few things about Pentecost and the rapture, taking place on Pentecost…

A Specific Time vs. A Specific Number of Believers

Regarding Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness inpart is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.”

Some base their belief that no one knows the day or the hour because you cannot know how many will be included into the church, therefore, you cannot determine when the rapture/resurrection will occur.

Okay, I agree that there is a definite number of those who will be saved by grace before the tribulation, however, I would not limit God to say that He couldn’t calculate this to fit perfectly with a specific date… The Lord God is one of perfect accuracy; the Bible says that God knows the day and the hour in which the rapture/resurrection will occur.

Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, My Father only.”

Now, we must keep the ‘lack of information’ towards man in the proper context here. In this chapter, Jesus is speaking to the Jewish people who will be here during the tribulation, not the Church. The point I am trying to make with this verse is that the Father already knows when it is all going to happen. For more clarification on my previous sentence, please read: Amos 3:7

The Bible also states that the festivals are a shadow of things to come, which means that they each have a prophetic fulfillment.

Colossians 2:16-17 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come;…”

Some may say that these holy days are fulfilled “for the Jewish people…” Well, the Church began on Pentecost and it includes the Gentiles… not just the Jewish people. A good way to look at it is that Pentecost could be the parentheses around the Church age between Daniel’s 69th week and the 70th week.

Lets continue to look at God, as a God of specifics (this character trait is what allows us to put our trust in His Word and the accuracy of His Word). If we were to compare the rapture/resurrection of the Church to a nautical picture, as some may, based on Romans 11:25, then we must look at it from more of a military image rather than one of a random traveler. We are soldiers in Christ, which is why we are called to put on the full armor of God:

Ephesians 6:10-18 “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;”

A military ship, though sailors may get drunk on their leaves, will leave at precisely the right time and if you aren’t ready when the time comes… you would get left and charged with an AWOL. Kind of sounds like the parable of the wise and foolish virgins, don’t you think? Matthew 25

Pentecost Beginnings

Pentecost is celebrated on the 6th of Sivan, which is 50 days after the Passover Sabbath (First Fruits). This holy day is sandwiched between the three holy days in the spring (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits) and the three holy days in the fall (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot “Tabernacles”). Its true Hebrew name is Shavuot. We get the name Pentecost from the Greeks, which means 50 because of the 50 days we count from the Passover Sabbath.

Leviticus 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest:

Leviticus 23:15-16 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete:

Pentecost Reference Names

The Feast of Weeks (because of the counting of weeks between Passover to Pentecost)
First Fruits of the Wheat Harvest (because this is when the wheat harvest is gathered)
Feast of Ingathering (because this is when the harvest is gathered unto the high priest)

Pentecost History

1. According to Jewish tradition based in the book of Enoch, Enoch was born and raptured to heaven on the holy day Pentecost. CLICK HERE for the book of Enoch. Genesis 5:21-24 Enoch is viewed as a type of the Church whereas, we too will be spared from the tribulation period as he was from the flood. Many scholars refer back to Jesus stating in Matthew 24:37 that His coming would be as in the days of Noah.

With this assumption, then the world (nations) would be destroyed (judged) by His wrath, a remnant of Israel (Noah) would be spared through His wrath and the Church (Enoch) would be removed before His wrath. I believe that the beginning of God’s wrath starts with the first seal in Revelation 6, but that is a topic to be covered later.

So, if this is the case and Enoch was raptured on his birthday… then the conclusion could be made that the Church might also be raptured on it’s birthday – Pentecost, for we are sealed for the day of redemption Ephesians 4:30.

2. The Torah was given to the Jewish people as a covenant between them and the Lord God on Mount Sinai. Exodus 19

3. The Holy Spirit filled the Church and sealed them for the day of redemption. Acts 2 and Ephesians 4:30

Pentecost Practices

Exodus 23:16 And the Feast of Harvest, the First Fruits of thy labors, which thou hast sown in the field: and the Feast of Ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labors out of the field.

Exodus 34:22 And thou shalt observe the Feast of Weeks, of the First Fruits of wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at year’s end.

Leviticus 23:17 “Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.”

We may assume that these two loaves of leavened bread, which are also called the “first fruits” to the Lord, are the Church (1=Jewish believers, 2=Gentile believers). We are called the First Fruits unto the Lord. The leaven represents sin and giving it in a wave offering is a way of sanctifying it before the Lord as He did with us through Christ the Messiah. A good point to make here as well, is that this is the ONLY feast where leaven is used and so it can be viewed that this is the only feast directly dealing with the Church.

James 1:18 “Of His own will begat He us with the Word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.”

The book of Ruth is read. The book of Ruth, has been compared to, the story of the Church, our relationship to Israel and the Lord by many scholars. I would like to quote Jack Kelly now on his take regarding this:

Naomi in the role of Israel, destitute and alone; Ruth as the Church, the gentile bride; Boaz as the Kinsman Redeemer (Messiah) and the story a prediction of the relationship between the three of them. On His way to redeeming Israel, the Kinsman Redeemer takes a gentile bride, saving both from destitution.

Pentecost Future

Exodus 19:13 “…when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.”

Acts 2:1 “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.”

Matthew 13:30 “Let both [wheat and tares] grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into My barn.”

Pentecost Summary

In summation, Pentecost is a very good possibility for the rapture/resurrection of the Church. One more idea I would like to share regarding whether we will be aware of it right before or not… If we use Enoch as an example, then according to the book of Enoch, he was told the day of his rapture that it was time to go. If memory serves me correctly, he was told a year before that he had a year left to get his house in order.

Anyway, Enoch is a “Lost Book of the Bible”, so its infallibility is in some question whether it has been preserved completely or not. The canonized Bible that we use today makes reference to the book (teachings) of Enoch, so researching it with discernment could prove beneficial. Jude 1:14-15

Either way, whether it happens on Pentecost or not, we will keep looking up… watching and preparing while sharing the Word of God with others until we cannot work in the harvest fields any longer because our Beloved has called us home.

Click here for Part II

NEW: Please also see my recent post here: Pentecost 2010 and the Prophetic Beyond

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22 Responses to “The Feast of Pentecost and The Rapture of the Church”

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  2. twelvebooks said

    Excellent.

  3. truthoughts said

    Thank you for your comment Twelvebooks! 🙂

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  5. Jean said

    I had this thought about the Rapture of the church and it being related to Penecost over the weekend and when I googled it, realized it was not an original thought. Love your website, will return again.

    • truthoughts said

      Jean,

      Thank you for your comment. I have been taking a look at all of the Spring Feasts and Rosh Hashanah and how they may relate to the Rapture of the Church. Lately, I am wanting to take a closer look at the Feast of First Fruits since that is when Jesus and the other saints were resurrected. Things that make you go, “Hmmm…” 🙂

      Thank you again for your comment. I am glad you are enjoying the site.

      Sincerely In Christ,
      Alison

  6. Cheryl said

    Hi,
    Jean and I are on the same page at the same time. I have had an ergency in my heart as of the last 6 months that the rapture is right at the door. I have been asking God for wisdom in regards to this and I have been praying to be counted worthy to escape the coming wrath. A few nights ago I couldn’t sleep and sleep is rarely a problem for me. I have learned that when sleep doesn’t come for me, then It’s usualy God.I felt impressed to research the meanings and traditions surounding the Jewish feast and Holy days.When I read about Pentecost, it all made sense.It’s the time that God visits His people. There were just to many paralels to miss. So today I decided to google “rapture on pentecost” and I found so many websites related to it.Seems we are not the only ones feeling that the rapture just could happen on this day. Thanks for the info and God bless you as you continue to seek Him in ALL things!
    Your sister in Christ,
    Cheryl

    • truthoughts said

      Cheryl,

      Thanks for your comment. Sorry it took so long to pass it through. It would be absolutely wonderful if it happened this year (great chance for it). This year (2009), Pentecost is on May 30-31 (b/c it is from sunset to sunset Jerusalem time). It is surely time to get our lives in order so that we are ready to be face to face with Him. What an amazing time we live in! Thank you again for commenting Cheryl! May the Lord bless you as well while you seek His face.

      Sincerely In Christ,
      Alison

  7. firstlovedan said

    Great Article!
    Another source of encouragement is the “Song Of Solomon”. He calls his bride during the spring time! Many many references to the rapture of the church.
    Blessings,
    firstlovedan

  8. Faith said

    Hi! I stumbled upon your blog while looking at various aspects of a possible Pentecost rapture. I’ve really enjoyed many of your insights about this topic. My question is about the date of Pentecost this year. I see the note you left about it being on the Sabbath. Are we going by Pentecost or Shavuot? It seems to me that we would go by the Jewish festival, which is on May 28-30 this year. (See http://www.chabad.org/holidays/shavuot/default_cdo/jewish/Shavuot.htm) If you click on the “What is Shavuot?” link, it explains the traditions. One thing I thought was interesting was that there is traditionally a memorial service on the third day (this year the 30th) for the souls of the departed. Also, I read somewhere that 29 is the Biblical number for departure. That being said, I could be completely wrong. (Although if I’m right, I believe the “fullness of the day” would come on the 29th at 6:00am Israel time, meaning 11:00pm EST tonight for me!) I just wondered what your take on it is. Again, I really have enjoyed your blog. Thanks!

    • truthoughts said

      Thank you for your comment Faith. It is always great to know others are studying to show themselves approved 😉

      You asked if we are going by Pentecost or Shavuot… they are both the same. Pentecost is the Greek word and Shavuot is the Hebrew. The Lord described the way we are to celebrate this feast in Leviticus 23:15-16… it was only after the diaspora of the Jews that they needed to create a fixed date to celebrate because it is based upon the date of the Passover which is related to the barley harvest time. They could not judge when the barley harvest was ripe in Jerusalem when they were not living there. This cause them to celebrate it on what they call Shavuot (in Sivan). I am going on the Biblical account that was determined by God… not man.

      The Bible is quite clear that we get into major trouble when we focus on the traditions of man and not the Word of God. I enjoy studying the traditions of Jewish festivals, etc. but always align their beliefs with what the Word of God states because as Christians, we know that blindness has come upon the Jewish people temporarily for our sakes so that we Gentiles could be grafted in. This has been prophesied throughout the entire Bible.

      What you said about the practice of a memorial on the 3rd day… that is very interesting. =D

      About the number 29, I have heard that but do not know for sure so I cannot comment regarding that in particular.

      Going on what God has done in the past on the feast of Pentecost (Shavuot), He came to Mt. Sinai between 6am-9am… and the Holy Spirit came upon the first Church members between 6am-9am (Jerusalem time)… so, 2 out of 3 fulfillments on this feast, I would give high regard to the times of 6am-9am Jerusalem time… here in CST-USA would be between the hours of 10pm Saturday May 30th and 2am Sunday May 31st. I say 2am because this allows for the full hour of their 9am to 10am. Hope that makes sense.

      Well, thank you again Faith for your comment and I pray that the Lord bless your studies. Either way… lets be ready when He calls us home – VERY SOON!!! =D

      Sincerely In Christ,
      Alison

  9. Truthoughts , I would like to comment about Pentecost , the Spirit of Yahshua Messiah fullfilled Pentecost , Yahshua Fulfilled Passover &
    Unleavened Bread & Pentecost , But Has Yet to fulfill the Fall Feast of Tabernacles ,Shalom , Yahweh Bless

    • truthoughts said

      Dean,

      Thank you for your comment. Something I have found on another site that I never thought about… was that Pentecost was fulfilled with the Holy Spirit, not Jesus specifically. This is why some believe that the Rapture could happen on Pentecost. Jesus has and will continue to fulfill each feast chronologically. Many believe the Church, age of grace is more of a parenthesis which began on Pentecost and will conclude with Pentecost, etc. This is the “mystery” in the Bible many believe. Thank you again for your comment. Many blessings to you.

      Sincerely In Christ,
      Alison

  10. Jonathan CHM said

    1) The following are the proves that angels could perform miracles healing and there are falling angels in the Scripture to be against God too:

    John 5:3-4, “In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.”

    2) The following are the proves that Angels could perform marvellous wonders:

    Luke 1:7, “And they had no child, because that Elizabeth was barren and they both were now well stricken in years.” Luke 1:13, “but the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for their prayer is heard; and they wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John”. Luke 1:18, “And Zacharias said unto the angel, ‘Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my life well stricken in years.” Luke 1:19, “And THE ANGEL ANSWERING UNTO HIM, I AM GRABRIEL…” Luke 1:20, “AND BEHOLD, THOU SHALL BE DUMB, AND NOT ABLE TO SPEAK, UNTIL THE DAY THAT THESE THINGS SHALL BE PERFORMED, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.” Luke 1:22, “And when he came out, HE COULD NOT SPEAK UNTO THEM”.

    Matthews 28:1-2, “Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Many Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And, behold, THERE WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, FOR AN ANGEL OF THE LORD DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN, AND ROLLED BACK THE STONE OF THE DOOR, and sat it.”

    Acts 12:23, “Then immediately an angel of the Lord struck him, because he did not give glory to God. And he was eaten by worms and died.”

    3) Angels could appear in somebody’s dream:

    Matthews 2:19, “…an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph…”; Matthew 1:20, “…an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream…”

    As angels could perform wonders, are there any strongest proves to show that those wonders in contemporary Charismatic Churches are from God? If someone in contemporary Charismatic Church could prove it, we have to accept it. However, if nobody could prove whether the existence of wonder in contemporary Charismatic Churches is from God or the Holy Spirit or Angels, there is a danger that one would comment that certain wonders are from God or from the Holy Spirit or from Jesus Christ and, in case if they are not and it would turn up that we have forced God or Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit to bear the name of doer and indirectly we have abused the name of Jesus Christ or God or the Holy Spirit and this causes us to speak against Jesus Christ or God or the Holy Spirit indirectly.

    Could contemporary Charismatic Church claim that the miracles and wonder they perform in the name of Jesus Christ, is accompanied by correct teaching (in accordance with God’s Word) and righteous living?

    A good Christian performs a wonder through the name of Jesus Christ in the Church. Many audiences would claim that this be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit. As fallen angels could perform wonders, i.e. Buddhists could perform wonders as it is listed in the Internet too. What if the wonders in contemporary Charismatic churches are not from God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit, the surrounding audience that claims to be the work of the Holy Spirit/God/Jesus Christ, would have indirectly abused the name of each of them even though they might not be the one to do it and it indirectly causes the defamation of the name of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit and they might have grieved as a result of the whole church speaking against them since they might not do it. The abusing of the name of Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit/God would cause the audience to commit continual sins as when and they address these be the work of God.

    Can a Christian or a Catholics claim that he has followed the correct teaching and righteous living when day by day and month by month and year by year seeing people keep on claiming the wonders in contemporary Charismatic Churches to be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit without telling them the danger that they would have sinned against God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit what if the so-called, wonders, might not be their work then?

    For holy bark, you could see people running around the churches crazily to bark here and there.

    For Holy laughter, you could see people laugh without stopping.

    For manifestation of the Spirit, you see people roll from one place to another without knowing what he/she has done after performing.

    All these are not mentioned in the book of Acts.

    A number of people in the church mention that they receive revelation from God through words of knowledge, prophecy, tongues speaking, words of wisdom. Many prophets arose previously claimed that year 2000 and 1987 were the end of the world. However, the year before year 2000 and 1987, none of these people that claim to receive so-called, special gifts of the Holy Spirit, say that these years 2000 and 1987 are not the end of the world. If it is the work of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit should have informed all these people to correct their mistakes.

    LUKE 9:49-50 ABOUT THOSE THAT DO NOT FOLLOW JESUS BUT COULD PERFORM WONDERS IN JESUS’ NAME

    Luke 9:49, 50 (TCNT), “Hereupon John said: “Sir, we saw a man driving out demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he does not follow you with us.” “None of you must prevent him,” Jesus said to John; “he who is not against you is for you.”

    Were these people that were mentioned in Luke 9:49-50 to be the disciples of Jesus since it is mentioned that they did not follow Jesus?

    The following are the verses to prove that God’s people would surely follow Jesus:

    John 10:27, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”

    John 10:3, “To him the porter openeth, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calleth his own sheep by nam, and leadeth them out”.

    From the above verses, it is obvious that the sheep will surely follow the shepherd, Jesus.

    As the phrase, he is not against you is for you, is mentioned in Luke 9:49 instead of the phrase, he is not against you is for me Jesus, it does not show that all these people that could use Jesus to perform miracles were for Jesus but for us, disciples, especially Jesus had mentioned clearly in John 10:27 and 10:3 that Christians would surely follow Jesus. The possible interpetation for Luk 9:49 for him to mention that they were for us that it might be that they could assist us in bringing outsiders to the attention of Jesus Christ for our evangelism. However, they are not for Jesus since they do not follow Jesus since they would definitely follow Jesus if they are for Jesus.
    Indeed the people as mentioned in Luke 9:49-50 that could perform wonders in Jesus’s name were not God’s people or else Jesus should have included these people ont top of the twelve disciples. Or in other words, if these people that could perform wonders in Jesus’ name were God’s people, there would be more that twelve disciples instead of remaining to be twelve all the time during Jesus’ mission and it proves the fact that Jesus’ name could be abused to perform miracles. Or in other words, despite these people as mentioned in Luke 9:49-50 were not following Jesus and were not the disciples of Jesus, they could use Jesus’ name to perform wonders.

    CASTING OUT DEMONS MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY CAUSE ONE TO HAVE DISTURBED BY DEMONS AS MENTIONED IN ACTS 19:13-16:

    Matthew 17:15-16, “Lord have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.” Matthew 17:18-19, “And Jesus rebuked the devil and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, ‘Why could not we cast him out?’ ” Matthew 17:21, “Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.” From these verses, it is obvious that the failure in casting out demons might not necessarily cause one to be disturbed by demons as that is mentioned in Luke 9:49-50.

    PROOF THAT ANGELS COULD PERFORM MIRACULOUS HEALING AND THERE ARE FALLEN ANGELS TOO:

    John 5:3-4, “In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.””

    From John 5:3-4, it shows that angels could heal various kinds of illnesses whether they are blinded, halt and withered. As angels could perform miraculous healings and there are so-called, fallen angels, it is irrational to jump into conclusion that certain illnesses be healed to be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit since some wonders might be the work of angels and/or fallen angels.

    One might have quoted Luke 9:49-50 well that nobody should stop those people that perform miracles in Jesus’ name. However, he should meditate Matthew 7:22-23 carefully again that the so-called people to use Jesus’ name to perform wonders might be rejected by the Lord. For instance, if these people that are mentioned in Matthew 7:22-23 to use Jesus’ name to perform wonders are the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit, there should not be any strong ground for Jesus to reject them. However, Jesus will reject them despite they do perform wonders in Jesus’ name and there is a query the so-called wonders that they perform are from God. The following are the extracts:
    Matthew 7:22-23, “Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you who practise lawlessness!’

    • truthoughts said

      Jonathan,

      Thank you for your comment. You have a very good question. They way you have outlined your thoughts are the same as how I at times approach God about topics that I am debating myself. Weighing the two options though leaning toward one or the other but wondering how to move forward with discernment. I wanted to let you know that I have received your comment and I will be responding more thoroughly soon. I would like to reply when I am not distracted, as I am at the moment in my current surroundings. So, hang in there and I will get back to you shortly. Thank you again for your comment Jonathan.

      Sincerely In Christ,
      Alison

    • truthoughts said

      Jonathan,

      I want to thank you again for your comment. You have given great references of scripture to show that angels can do powerful things. Also, as we are aware… Satan can come as an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.) Remembering always, that we are to try the spirits to see whether they are of God. (1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.)
      We know that the Holy Spirit of God causes us to draw closer to Him through healing and through the Word of God which is Jesus. We know that through the stories of demonic possessions, Satan and his ministers cause individuals to behave contrary to the fruit of the Spirit of God and the Word of God as well as to lose control of their own bodily actions (not pertaining to losing the ability to speak as stated in scripture).

      When judging for ourselves whether something is from God or another spirit, we need to line all of the fruit up with the Word of God, the Bible because emotions can taint our perceptions very easily. If others who are either behaving or making others to behave in a questionable way, ie: barking, etc. are teaching against the Word of God, then we should hold fast to ourselves against the “signs and wonders” they are proclaiming.

      You brought up Catholics in your comment as an example. Well, lets take a look at that. Lets look at what Catholics believe…

      Catholics believe that you can go to purgatory when you die and gain merits through different means to enter heaven. – This is not Biblical

      Catholics believe that the Pope is infallible. – This is not Biblical

      Catholics believe that you can use other mediators to God, ie: Mary, saints, the Pope, etc. – This is not Biblical

      Those are just 3 major points… so given that their teachings go against the core points of Christianity, you could not in good conscience follow these teachings and not have consequences for it.

      The same standards would pertain to those in the W.O.F (Word Of Faith) movement, Ecumenical movement, etc. These are the “charismatic” churches you are speaking of. If you were to line up their teachings to the Word of God, you would see that they were lacking.

      Many are being caught up in their words that tickle the ears (2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.). This is brought on by big egos, greed and a strong desire to not be accountable and to just enjoy the lustfulness of this life.

      Many will be deceived by these “leaders” (wolves in sheeps clothing). (Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. *and* Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.)
      Some of these are even now denying the Lord Jesus, by whom we are saved. They are beginning to teach that there are many ways to salvation and that each person must find their own path to God… even to the point of some teaching that all people are God.

      Regarding the casting out of demons, whether by a believer in Christ or a non-believer… This shows the power behind the name of Jesus. It shows that it is not by our power or our authority that demons can be cast out, but by His power, by His Spirit, by His Name! (Zechariah 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. *and* Matthew 1:27 …for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him “Jesus”.)

      So, what we know is that it is the power, authority and Name of Jesus that all are subject to… however, just because one utilizes this does not mean that they are saved.
      Thank you again for your comment Jonathan.

      Sincerely in Christ,
      Alison

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  12. KO said

    yes i cant seem to find the word rapture in the king james version bible….could you kindly point me to were it is?????? eitherway email me back NC_20032@yahoo.com

    • truthoughts said

      The word “rapture” is not in the Bible. The word rapture is just another word to describe the Church being “caught up” to be with the Lord. You can find that here:

      1 Thessalonians 4:17 “Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

      You can find an example of the rapture, or being caught up, in the story of Enoch in the book of Genesis as well as Hebrews.

      Genesis 5:24 “And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.”

      Hebrews 11:5 “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”

      So, you are correct that the actual word “rapture” is not in scripture but the description of what we call the rapture, is. I hope this helps.

      Thank you for your comment.
      Alison

  13. Garth said

    I do believe in Jesus coming and taking us home to be with Him for ever BUT HEY 14/4/2010 we are still here.Bible said mind your own bizness and get on with the job make disciples while we still have time.Yes look up and expect but get on with the job so when He does arrive He can say well done my faithfull servant.You were found DOING my will.Enter into the joy of the Lord.

    • truthoughts said

      Garth,

      Here I must disagree. The Bible does not say “mind your own business and get on with the job at hand”. It actually tells us, commands us, to watch for it… to know when we are close. To comfort one another about it. Most of the Bible is prophetic and even the Old Testament foretells the last days. If we do not search the Word and be mindful of the signs and their fulfillment just as we should be mindful regarding the feasts of the Lord, we will not be ready when He comes. We must be obedient and to be obedient, we must warn others, comfort others with the Truth of His soon return for us. In doing so, more will come to Christ because they will see their sins and how little time they have left before judgment comes to the world. Doing this, when He comes, we will hear Him say “Well done thy good and faithful servant.” Otherwise, we will be wicked servants who begin to beat our fellow servants for being obedient to the Lord’s commands and will be cast out with the hypocrites where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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